{"id":1549,"date":"2012-02-13T12:00:47","date_gmt":"2012-02-13T11:00:47","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/lukeburrage.com\/blog\/?p=1549"},"modified":"2012-02-13T17:24:02","modified_gmt":"2012-02-13T16:24:02","slug":"gods-and-platypuses-the-ignostic-non-beliefer","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/lukeburrage.com\/blog\/archives\/1549","title":{"rendered":"Gods and Platypuses: The Ignostic Non-Beliefer."},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/upload.wikimedia.org\/wikipedia\/commons\/7\/7e\/Platypus-sketch.jpg\"><\/p>\n<p>Someone asked me about my &#8220;religious status&#8221; on Facebook, and I thought it would make a good blog post.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ve written on my blog a few time about how I used to be a Christian and now I&#8217;m a non-Christian. Not being Christian was on step along the journey, but once I finally admitted to myself that I didn&#8217;t believe in any kind of god, I wasn&#8217;t sure what word I could use to describe myself. After this bothering me for a few years, I googled about, and worked out I was probably some kind of secular humanist.<\/p>\n<p>However, when people brought up my lack of belief in god, there seemed to be only two options: atheist or agnostic. I had a hard time accepting either of these designations.<\/p>\n<h3 id=\"atheist\">Atheist?<\/h3>\n<p>First, &#8220;atheist&#8221; defines someone by their lack of belief in God or in a god or in gods in general. This privileges the idea of gods above other elements of supernatural claims, as nobody calls themselves a-fairyists or a-dragonists. <\/p>\n<p>Secondly, it privileges the belief in the supernatural claim to be the defining aspect in someone&#8217;s life. Theist or atheist? &#8220;Well,&#8221; I think, &#8220;before I answer, may I first tell you my story rather than putting myself into one of those two camps?&#8221; I guess that&#8217;s why secular humanism is more appealing to me, as the name tells us that the human being and human endeavor is more important than the supernatural.<\/p>\n<p>And that&#8217;s why I&#8217;m going to tell you a bit of my story.<\/p>\n<h3 id=\"agnostic\">Agnostic?<\/h3>\n<p>So now to my main problem with calling myself either an atheist or agnostic. Over the years I&#8217;ve believed in many different versions of God. For example:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Hardcore belief in God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit, as expected of a fundamentalist Christian.<\/li>\n<li>I believe in God and all that, but did he really create the world in 6 days?<\/li>\n<li>God is some kind of powerful spirit, a force for love and for good.<\/li>\n<li>Jesus wasn&#8217;t really God, just a wisdom teacher.<\/li>\n<li>I have spiritual experiences, and the Bible is still meaningful.<\/li>\n<li>Actually many things in the Bible are quite disturbing, but there&#8217;s still something to it.<\/li>\n<li>Ah shit, this is all made up by humans to explain what goes on in humans&#8217; brains, isn&#8217;t it?<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>It&#8217;s all relative, right? Luke at the start of my journey would class Luke at every other point as a non-theist. From the second point to the second last point I could be called agnostic by the Lukes at any other point. Only when I reached that last point could I really call myself an atheist.<\/p>\n<p>So when someone asked me if I believed in God, I wondered at what point they were in this spectrum. What did they really mean? Did they mean the modern fundamentalist ideas? Did they mean wishy-washy spiritualist stuff? Were they on a spectrum of belief in a non-Abrahamic god?<\/p>\n<p>I never knew. I&#8217;d get into a debate with someone, and they&#8217;d challenge me to tell them why they were wrong about God (and I did this when a Christian too), but after a few minutes they&#8217;d say something like &#8220;No, I don&#8217;t believe God answers prayers, he&#8217;s more like an all-pervading spirit that imbues the wider destiny of the universe.&#8221; I thought I&#8217;d been talking to a theist, and they were actually a pantheist or deist.<\/p>\n<p>And after me saying &#8220;I&#8217;m an atheist&#8221; the other person might describe a kind of God that fits my science-fiction-loving brain&#8217;s image of an benevolent alien super-being. Do I believe in that kind of god? Well, I guess then I&#8217;m an agnostic. I&#8217;d not call it a god though. What does God need with a starship?<\/p>\n<p>After a few years of these miscommunications, when anyone wanted to know if I was an atheist or agnostic, I&#8217;d ask them to define god first, and then I&#8217;d answer.<\/p>\n<h3 id=\"ignostic\">Ignostic!<\/h3>\n<p>And then I found out, I don&#8217;t remember exactly when or where, that this had a name! It&#8217;s called <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Ignosticism\" target=\"new\">Ignosticism<\/a>. And the definition is pretty much what I&#8217;ve outlined above. Ignosticism is the stance that the notion of god shouldn&#8217;t be elevated to any kind of important position, instead treating the word as exactly that: a word. A very imprecise word at that!<\/p>\n<p>For example, you ask if I have a car, and I say no, and then you say &#8220;You can have my car!&#8221; and give me a Lego model. Gee, thanks.<\/p>\n<p>Then you clarify, &#8220;Do you have a real car?&#8221; I would say no. But what if you really meant &#8220;Do you have a personal vehicle with four wheels and an engine?&#8221; I could say &#8220;Yes.&#8221; Because I own a van.<\/p>\n<p>So I let the person define the object of belief, and only then do I answer.<\/p>\n<h3 id=\"belief\">Belief?<\/h3>\n<p>There is one final step to this, so I&#8217;ll stretch the car analogy a bit more:<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Do you have a real car?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;You mean a personal vehicle with four wheels and an engine? Like a van?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Yes.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Well&#8230;&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>In fact I don&#8217;t have a van. But I kind of do. I used to have a van, and technically I still partly own it, even if my ex-girlfriend now uses it in another country. So does that mean I have a van or not? <\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Do have a real car?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Okay, my current girlfriend has a car, so if I need to get somewhere with a big bag, I can ask her to drive me. Also, when we visited England last month, we rented a car, so if you asked me a month ago, I could say that I did have a car, but now I don&#8217;t.<\/p>\n<p>As you can see, the word &#8220;have&#8221; is now just as troublesome as the word &#8220;car&#8221;!<\/p>\n<p>And in the question &#8220;Do you believe in God?&#8221; the word &#8220;believe&#8221; is as troublesome to me as the word &#8220;have&#8221;. What the fuck does belief even mean? That I <em>know<\/em> something is true, despite not being sure? That I <em>think<\/em> something is true, despite not being sure? That I <em>think<\/em> that I <em>know<\/em> something is true, despite not being sure? Or that I&#8217;m <em>sure<\/em> something is true, despite not thinking it through?<\/p>\n<p>I believe lots of things, but now I like to think that <strong>belief or non-belief is only a stance on a proposition that hasn&#8217;t been closely examined<\/strong>. Once I&#8217;ve closely examined an idea, I&#8217;ll tell you that I think it is probably true, or that it is probably not true, or if I&#8217;m not so sure, I&#8217;ll give an estimate on how likely it is to be true.<\/p>\n<p>Claim: &#8220;God, as depicted in Genesis, is real.&#8221; <\/p>\n<p>My judgment: False. <\/p>\n<p>Claim: &#8220;Some kind of energy being currently unexplained by science exists somewhere in the universe.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>My judgment: Maybe. It&#8217;s a big universe.<\/p>\n<p>Claim: &#8220;The platypus is an endangered species.&#8221; <\/p>\n<p>My judgment: I believe so. <\/p>\n<p>You see, I really have no idea about the conservation status of the platypus, but off the top of my head, I guess it might be endangered. That&#8217;s what I call a belief. <\/p>\n<p>A belief can be a meaningful basis for action. For example, I&#8217;ll stop someone killing a platypus with a stick! If later I discover platypuses are, in fact, vermin that need culling&#8230; well, that&#8217;s cool. I wasn&#8217;t really invested in the idea.<\/p>\n<p>Claim: &#8220;In the event of an earthquake, run out into the street!&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>My judgment: I believe so. I&#8217;ve not really looked into it. I&#8217;ll check the answer when I move to an earthquake zone.<\/p>\n<p>For many people the question &#8220;Do you believe in God?&#8221; is just that important, so they don&#8217;t really care about the definition of God in the mind of the questioner, nor do they plan use that belief to make important decisions. In that case, belief or non-belief is a totally fine position.<\/p>\n<p>For someone like me, who was brought up as a Christian, God was super important to me! His existence, and the nature of his existence, had a real impact on the decisions I made in life. How could I merely believe or not believe in the existence of God? I needed to look more closely at the whole concept.<\/p>\n<p>Now I hold various important concepts as impossible, possible, improbable, probable, and all kind of degrees in between. For concepts unimportant to me, belief or non-belief is just fine.<\/p>\n<h3 id=\"gotaconclusion\">Got a conclusion?<\/h3>\n<p>When it comes down to important matters, I&#8217;m simply not a beliefer. I&#8217;m a non-beliefer. <\/p>\n<p>An ignostic non-beliefer.<\/p>\n<hr>\n<p>I love to read comments and feedback about my blog posts. Please email me, I reply to every message: luke@juggler.net<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Someone asked me about my &#8220;religious status&#8221; on Facebook, and I thought it would make a good blog post. 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